Interview with Sam

If you could change one thing about CapTel what would it be? Why?

Simply put, we, the workers should decide the conditions of our labor. This includes a livable pay, an amount of aux time that works for everyone, better-maintained workstations, among other things. We would enact policies based on worker happiness and comfort instead of squeezing out profits and instead of performing discipline and punishment.

Sam at the CapTel picket
Photo by Joe Brusky

What is your CapTel horror story?

I biked to work one day, fell off and scraped my knee on the way there because of a driver making a hasty left. I took the bus to work, showed up bleeding, and after punching in late, I was briefly given a band-aid and wipe as medical attention by a busy supervisor. I was still punished for being late on top of the injury, and I was expected to work as usual. It was at this point that I realized CapTel was not treating me as a human being.

Why do you believe CapTel needs a union?

CapTel needs a union because management is not addressing the needs of the workers. We are often so beaten down by the work that we don’t even have the energy to organize. We often grate against the systems in place, and leave feeling helpless to tackle this bureaucracy alone. Hundreds of people suffer from a small few who can only spare costs when it comes to their high-end lifestyle. If we can raise consciousness, we can harness our frustration instead of suppressing it and we can make a difference

Interview with Joe

Photo by Joe Brusky

CWU: If you could change one thing about CapTel with a magic wand what would it be?

If I could change one thing about CapTel it would be to give all of the workers a living wage and a voice on the job and to make sure to give the workers the power to make sure they are treated with dignity and respect.

CWU: What do you mean by a voice on the job?

A voice on the job, to me, means that the worker has somebody in their corner, that the worker’s interests are represented in the company, that the workers are united as a collective to make sure that what is best for them is implementedto make sure that people are treated as human beings with dignity rather than replaceable data points at the mercy of the company. I would like to bring people into a more equitable bargaining relationship, negotiating relationship, with the company.

CWU: Do you have a CapTel horror story?

I remember many times being unable to go to the bathroom, having to wait for ridiculous amounts of time to go to the bathroom, because I had to constantly worry about my every minute away from the computer being tracked. I remember hearing and dealing with so much racism and hatred on the phones and other disgusting forms of communication that we’re forced to listen to and tolerate and how little regard there was for the stress and suffering that a lot of workers have to go through.

CWU: Why do you believe CapTel needs a union?

I believe that CapTel needs a union because the workers at CapTel are very hardworking people who are doing a very important service for the community. They are helping folks with a disability communicate with others and they are acting essentially as an advocate for them. I believe that it is very important that these workers who play such an important social role are treated themselves with dignity and respect and are given the pay and conditions that they need and deserve to stay in the role. I believe we owe it to the users of CapTel to have their calls be captioned by professionals that are happy and represented by an organization and have security and dignity and a voice on the job rather than by people that are treated as disposable and have no incentive to maintain a high level of service. I think that the goal of the union is very much intertwined with the positive aspects of CapTel and its mission to help people.

Deeper than that, I believe that CapTel workers need a union because all workers deserve a union and it’s just fundamentally illegitimate and unfair to have people being treated as disposable cogs in a machine to be used up and thrown away. That’s how CapTel treats people and the union is needed to change that reality.

Interview with Debbie

This interview has been edited to remove information that could be used to identify other employees that were mentioned.

CWU: If you could change one thing about CapTel what would it be?

Definitely employee relations. They don’t take certain complaints seriously enough with people being creepy, and I don’t just mean CAs but also supervisors. One of my friends who I met through CapTel, apparently a supervisor was intimidating her and she talked to HR about it. Now he is an FOS. He was promoted. She has trauma from it.

HR does nothing about it. They don’t care. They care more about, “oh, he is a great employee.” It makes you feel like you don’t matter beyond being numbers. A friend told HR about a conflict she was having with another employee and they said “well, we aren’t here to make friends.” They did nothing to try to resolve it.

CWU: So the one thing you’d like to change would be how seriously the company takes harrassment?

Yes, absolutely.

CWU: Do you have a CapTel horror story?

I have been working there eight and a half years. Eight years in is when this started. I reported a guy to HR and they simply said that he wasn’t allowed to talk to me anymore. When HR switched over that note must have been lost or maybe they never even made a note because one day I go into a team meeting and we are in the same team meeting. He is sitting right across from me, staring at me, talking to me when he is not supposed to be. It made me so uncomfortable.

CWU: Why do you believe CapTel needs a union?

I believe that if we are together in numbers they won’t be able to ignore the things that are going on anymore. We will be able to share with each other the things that are happening and then we can come to CapTel and say this is happening with so many people, you need to take care of this.

I was afraid but I shouldn’t be afraid. I was thinking, “oh, I need CapTel,” but that’s what they want.

Interview with Jill

CapTel Workers Union’s own Jill explains why they are fighting for a union and a democratic workplace at CapTel.


CWU: If you could change one thing at CapTel with a magic wand, what would it be? Why?

There are a lot of things that I would change about CapTel, but if I had to pick just one, it would have to be the wages. Eleven dollars an hour isn’t a living wage, and it’s really cruel and demeaning to expect your workers to care about their jobs and to be exemplary employees when they’re not even making enough money to survive. 

CWU: Do you have a CapTel horror story?

The most horrible thing I’ve seen at CapTel is people coming into work really ill, because CapTel basically encourages people to come in when they’re sick. What I mean by that is they offer us very few sick days, and if you take too many sick days in a row, you need a doctor’s note in order to not get fired. Lots of employees at CapTel can’t afford to go to the doctor, so this, along with the need to go to work and make money, results in lots of people coming to work sick.

One day I was just walking through the call center, and I saw someone get sick at their desk while captioning. They muted their microphone to get sick in their trash can, and then resumed captioning, because they couldn’t get a call takeover in time to run to the bathroom. And that really disturbed me. I still think about just how awful that must have been for that person, to be at this job where if they left their computer to run to the bathroom when they were ill, they would have gotten fired for abandoning the call. And if they’re not given a call takeover in time, then getting sick in their trash can at their desk is the only option for them. That just really stood out to me, and I think says a lot about the type of workplace that CapTel is, as this sort of thing happens pretty regularly. 

CWU: Why do you believe CapTel needs a union?

I believe CapTel needs a union because the people [captioning assistants] who are on the front lines and actually doing all the work and bringing in all of the profits for the company need to be given representation. We need a union because we deserve living wages, better healthcare, more empathetic policies. [CapTel management] have made it clear that they’re not just going to give us $15 an hour out of the goodness of their hearts. It’s clear that the higher-ups at CapTel don’t want to treat us better without putting up a fight, and I believe we need a union because that’s the most effective way to positively change our workplace. A more democratic workplace would benefit every CA. 

Interview with Tamara

CapTel Workers Union interviewed Tamara, a current CapTel worker and one of the founding members of the organizing committee.

Tamara giving a speech at a CWU picket

CWU: If you could change one thing at CapTel with a magic wand, what would it be? Why?

If I was going to change one thing at CapTel I would put the people in the front office on phones for a minimum of four hours during peak times every week. They are salaried, they are supposed to be on the clock 365 24/7, and as things stand they just don’t get it. They don’t understand what they put us through. They write draconian policies and treat us like we’re dirt and nothing but numbers. It is pretty ridiculous and really insulting and adds to the lack of compassion and dignity that a job really should have.

CWU: Do you have a CapTel horror story?

I think the worst thing that ever happened to me at CapTel was I called for an end of shift CTO and it was at a point where there were literally no agents available but there was a gaggle of supervisors sitting a few feet behind me, like five of them, just talking about their weekend plans and they just completely and utterly ignored me. I ended up having to stay on the call and I missed my ride home on account of it.

CWU: Why do you believe CapTel needs a union?

CapTel needs a union in no small part because there’s such a huge disconnect between the policy makers and the policy keepers and somebody has got to put the people who write these policies back on their toes and ideally switch the balance of power. The admin staff (and when I am talking about admin I am talking about HR and accounting and things of that nature) they have no idea what the job really entails. They should be held to the same standards that we are instead of overlording us like irresponsible gods.